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mayoturbo
Posted 10/2/2006 11:07 AM (#108707)
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Were does the vacuum hose go to? has any got any pictures close up? cheers
 
tan
Posted 10/2/2006 12:58 PM (#108745 - in reply to #108707)
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you need to either drill and tap the inlet manifold and fit a small nipple or do as i did on mine and drill the brake servo take off and braise a small peice of pipe to it these are the only places that have a strong enough vaccum to pull the dump valve open



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mayoturbo
Posted 10/2/2006 1:21 PM (#108752 - in reply to #108707)
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so would i be needing to take the inlet manifold off cos that is well fiddly.what did you use to block up the standard dump valve thing?
 
MGTurbo
Posted 10/2/2006 1:45 PM (#108763 - in reply to #108707)
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You just need to remove the metal hose to the brake servo, and modify it as tan has said. The inlet manifold doesn't need to be removed, unless you want to drill it for a tapping point.

That standard "dump" valve can either be plugged with a nut and bolt, or you can put some washers behind the spring to increase the pressure. It wouldn't really cause a problem if it was left untouched and you are still running standard boost. It is only for preventing excessive boost, and operates as a safety valve rather than a dump valve.

Edited by MGTurbo 10/2/2006 1:46 PM
 
mayoturbo
Posted 10/2/2006 2:55 PM (#108778 - in reply to #108707)
Subject: RE: dump valve
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would a t pice in the pipe circled in red work for the vacuum hose to join to or is there no vacuum there?


Edited by mayoturbo 10/2/2006 2:59 PM




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tan
Posted 10/2/2006 3:09 PM (#108784 - in reply to #108707)
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no thats a breather pipe
 
mayoturbo
Posted 10/2/2006 3:17 PM (#108788 - in reply to #108707)
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i knew that

Edited by mayoturbo 10/2/2006 3:17 PM
 
MGTurbo
Posted 10/2/2006 4:12 PM (#108803 - in reply to #108707)
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Because of the way the breather system works, that pipe will always be under vacuum.
 
mayoturbo
Posted 16/2/2006 1:13 PM (#110473 - in reply to #108707)
Subject: RE: dump valve
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excuse the masking tape havent got the hose yet. will be fitted soon as its half term for me



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mayoturbo
Posted 27/2/2006 5:53 AM (#113771 - in reply to #108707)
Subject: RE: dump valve
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the breather valve comes off the same place as the brake servo so how can only the brake servo pipe work for vacuum! im trying to tell the person tht helps me with the car but i dont know how

and were about on that brake servo pipe should i put a take off for the vacuum

will the dump valve be open until boost then shut. then when the throttle is lifted,opens again to release the boost persure?
please help and sorry for being such an ass




Edited by mayoturbo 27/2/2006 5:57 AM
 
Rob VVC
Posted 27/2/2006 5:58 AM (#113773 - in reply to #108707)
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I might be wrong but that looks like a twin piston dumpvalve for use with a car with a airflow meter.

I think you need the other sort

Edited by Rob VVC 27/2/2006 5:59 AM
 
mayoturbo
Posted 27/2/2006 6:02 AM (#113774 - in reply to #108707)
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how can i tell the difference the dv24 and dv26 look the same just with different internals, i took a gamble and hoped it was the dv24(single piston)
 
MGTurbo
Posted 27/2/2006 1:01 PM (#113951 - in reply to #108707)
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The brake servo has a non return valve in, so it should retain vacuum when the manifold goes to boost pressure. Even if the servo lost the vacuum it wouldn't matter, unless you were trying to brake while also having your foot on the accelerator. Once you lift off the accelerator to hit the brake the manifold will go straight to vacuum, and so will the servo.

Where the breather system connects to the manifold, it also has a non return valve. While the inlet manifold is under vacuum, the crankcase fumes are drawn into the manifold. When the manifold gets boost pressure the non return valve shuts and then all the fumes are drawn in the inlet pipe after the air filter (so that the breather system is always under negative pressure).

A piston dump valve won't work for long on a Metro because the seals will swell from the petrol that will find it way to the dump valve. You need a diaphragm dump valve.

The dump valve will open when there is vacuum on it to open it, and boost pressure trying to push it open. When the pressures are matched (or very close) it will remain closed. So, when off boost (and the manifold and plenum are under vacuum) it will be shut, and when on boost (with pressure in the manifold and plenum) it will remain shut. This why you cannot connect to the breather system as it would be open all the time.
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