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dazz 111
Posted 29/1/2014 8:57 PM (#709314 - in reply to #708976)
Subject: RE: Charcoal Grey GTa


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Underneath don't look too bad, get the wire wheel on the grinder and most of that'll clean up
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Posted 29/1/2014 9:36 PM (#709319 - in reply to #709314)
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Surprisingly not as bad as first expected. A few new areas of rust.  But allot of it is pretty much as you say needs a good wire brush and paint.

It's almost ready for welding just the fuel lines to be removed and drill out spot welds here and there.  
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Posted 29/1/2014 9:43 PM (#709320 - in reply to #708976)
Subject: RE: Charcoal Grey GTa


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tommib's project teabag was like that, it was jeckulz shell aparrently and I think tommi bought it off metro cj, that was a gta too.
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Posted 30/1/2014 5:50 PM (#709352 - in reply to #708976)
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All gtas are like it. This one just stood in the wet for too long.  Believe it or not on gravel. 

I remember project teabag... Wasnt it scraped in the end?


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Posted 30/1/2014 8:36 PM (#709357 - in reply to #708976)
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Yes was scrapped in the end.
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Posted 30/1/2014 9:13 PM (#709360 - in reply to #708976)
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How good is that floor in the white one? I think I would be tempted to pretty much UN pick the whole lot front to rear as the majority of your boot floor looks knackered too. Or paint the white one grey ??
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Posted 31/1/2014 9:41 AM (#709370 - in reply to #708976)
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Haha pretty much what I'm going to do, won't do the whole floor though as we all know welding in panel joins is a good way to create rust. However, the general consensus is to take majority of th floor and go from there... 

Paint the white one grey?! But then I won't have months of fun welding!!  
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Posted 31/1/2014 12:00 PM (#709374 - in reply to #708976)
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Welding in panels joins wont create rust if done right. They tend to rust because people just grind the metal back to weld without protecting it. Always spray a weld through primer on any panel joins then seal them up but dont go mad on seam sealer because if over applied can make the rust situation worse
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Posted 31/1/2014 7:10 PM (#709384 - in reply to #708976)
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^ ^ ^ Agreed!

I like to hit it with a wire wheel on a brush, polish it up to a mirror finish...
treat it with a rust eater, once it's done it's job wire wheel again...
coat of a good zinc-rich primer on both mating faces, then weld it up...
wire wheel off all the burn marks and contaminants, etch prime, and waterproof asap.
Morey
Posted 1/2/2014 9:01 AM (#709402 - in reply to #708976)
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Duely noted both thanks for the advice!


Im happy to listen to your suggestions, after all this will all be a learning curve for me. Only 21 and done numerous amateur welding jobs now. This is a whole different scale!
metro190bhp
Posted 1/2/2014 2:14 PM (#709403 - in reply to #708976)
Subject: RE: Charcoal Grey GTa
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When you have finished welding paint the underneath in bonda primer. You will find it on ebay. Works really good on surface rusted areas. Another thing I would do is get some jenolite rust remover and any of your welded repairs that are left in bare metal just wipe some jenolite over with a cloth and it will stop the metal surface rusting until your ready to paint it all
Morey
Posted 1/2/2014 5:21 PM (#709410 - in reply to #709314)
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only had a couple hours today! 

Managed to remove brake and fuel lines and binned the hydragas lines.

Found yet more rust on the minor scale, the exhaust shields even have created water traps and rusted out the floor. So they have all been binned aswell!

Then things went wrong, i broke two spot weld drill bits that are possibly 20 years old?!

Also got myself a wire brush attachment and set to work attacking suspect rust areas... Then the grinder blew up. Seems like all the gears in the thing have munched each other, the motor works just no drive!

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Morey
Posted 3/2/2014 8:26 PM (#709458 - in reply to #708976)
Subject: RE: Charcoal Grey GTa Rustoration


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Ok on my mission to salvage some decent metal and specific areas from the white Tro i own, i've made a bit of progress. Just went at it with an angle grinder and went through a tonne of discs.

Also been wire brushing with the grinder on most rust areas trying to determine whether or not it needs a plate etc. Has made it seem a bit more saveable now...

some areas in fact are completely sound and just had surface rust. 

I'm on the hunt for metro arches and outer sills so hopefully welding can begin this month or next. Hand a few friends round who took the piss with a marker pen (see below)

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itsonlyme
Posted 4/2/2014 8:53 PM (#709490 - in reply to #708976)
Subject: RE: Charcoal Grey GTa Rustoration
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George that so went to the right person, I would have not seen any hope there at all, it would have been squashed, good for you, I did the right thing handing that over, great effort to date
Morey
Posted 4/2/2014 11:04 PM (#709494 - in reply to #708976)
Subject: RE: Charcoal Grey GTa Rustoration


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Haha, you shouldve seen it! When the rust was untouched it looked as if i would never find the end. Now ive had a poke and a grind and a brush. Things seem feisable.
Gandi69
Posted 4/2/2014 11:10 PM (#709495 - in reply to #708976)
Subject: RE: Charcoal Grey GTa Rustoration
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Was that white one the Vvc in your sig or another car?
Morey
Posted 5/2/2014 8:03 AM (#709498 - in reply to #708976)
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Haha god no, it's a white k reg I bought a while back.
Morey
Posted 5/2/2014 8:39 PM (#709515 - in reply to #708976)
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More progress today, we are heading in the right direction at least.

In a nutshell today i drilled out the spot welds for the seat mounts then proceeded to cut the rot out of the passenger side. The way i see it I'm going to fix the floors first then the sills. From there i will then tackle both the rear and front subframe mounts. then after that the spare wheel well.

decided to start over with the gearbox steady mount. I have a replacement i can just puzzle in and weld up instead of trying to figure out something else that could've ended up being a bodge.

Interestingly this car has had welding before in the passenger foot well (see below)

more to come next week!

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Morey
Posted 10/2/2014 8:32 PM (#709660 - in reply to #708976)
Subject: RE: Charcoal Grey GTa Rustoration


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So today i had to butcher the subframe mounts to get them off, the bolts were rust-welded to the chassis and the mount.

i also test fit part of the k reg floor into the gta. 


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Morey
Posted 16/2/2014 12:43 PM (#709838 - in reply to #708976)
Subject: RE: Charcoal Grey GTa Rustoration


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Lots of progress recently, the first bits of fresh steel in! (after spending a haystack of money on gas)

the K reg is completely destroyed now!

also starting to shape and test fit more replacement panels.

Please remember i am only 21 and have very little welding experience a very tired welding gun (which i am replacing) so do not expect works of art. However they are solid and specific sections go really well, so i am getting there!




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Morey
Posted 4/6/2014 8:47 PM (#712510 - in reply to #708976)
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I've not given in!

I have done a lot of plotting and lets say 'self motivation' to get this well and truly underway. Again bare in mind, I'm 22 have no direct guidance for welding - only the web and certain peoples distant advice. I've been progressing when it comes to welding - STILL NOT PERFECT - but better and frankly neater!

Its all in the preparation - nice bare metal - steady hand - patience and concentration.

Anyway here are the pictures of recent progress!

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Morey
Posted 4/6/2014 8:51 PM (#712511 - in reply to #708976)
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Here are some pics of my workspace...

if you would call it a unit...? To me its more like a shack!

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HOW IS THIS FOR SOME HEIGHT THEN! LOL!





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Morey
Posted 8/6/2014 6:15 PM (#712587 - in reply to #708976)
Subject: RE: Charcoal Grey GTa Rustoration


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A long day of work today!

Got the entire inner sill finished! It took a bit of patience, but the measurements from door seal to floor should be 190mm. This ensures the outer sill panel i've still yet to purchase will fit properly. The angle steel i got came in relatively cheap at £25 for both, it was a tad to thick but it still works. a nice tidy strong weld! probably my best yet, i've downsized to 0.6mm wire and it seems to of helped me stop melting through the body.

The only c**k up being the back corner/fuel tank housing step up. But its strong just looks ugly

I NOW HAVE SOME STRUCTURAL RIGIDITY!!!!!!! finally able to sit/stand on the passenger side floor.

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Mad_shaun
Posted 8/6/2014 8:49 PM (#712590 - in reply to #708976)
Subject: RE: Charcoal Grey GTa Rustoration


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I think that you are doing well - I cannot weld for toffee - so A few years ago now I paid a body shop to do all my repair work.

Keep it up!!
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Posted 8/6/2014 9:13 PM (#712591 - in reply to #708976)
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Looking good. Dont matter too much how it looks, it puts it back on the road is the main thing
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