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M16GTA
Posted 20/2/2006 3:51 PM (#111669)
Subject: Wiring Loom....
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Can someone tell me what model i can get a 16v MPi (Plastic Inlet) wiring loom from including the internal side (behind dash)

I have asked this question before on PMC but never really followed it up.

Basically I have a 1.6 with ECU and alarm unit, I have the engine loom from the 1.6 which is all plugged in and connected to the ECU but the internal 8v 1.1 Loom doesn't connect to the ECU (Single Plug) 1.1 was Double.

This is all that has held up the metro really... other than me being the lazest plonker in the world...

OR..... anyone fancy making some money? Reylands want £100 to wire it up but i can't be bothered to take it over, I have all diagrams, tools and all the other crap. Just need someone to say yeah that one goes there and that one there (16 wires in total)

Anyone up for the challenge?

Make an old man happy?! (Im only 25 PMSL)
 
goddardmetro
Posted 20/2/2006 5:21 PM (#111698 - in reply to #111669)
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I'd come and help you Dan but am a bit busy at the moment (and probably for next few months!!).

Not sure entirely what you mean at the moment. There is only a couple of wires that tie the engine loom into the car loom IIRC. Been a while since I looked at it though, could be talking poo.
 
harry
Posted 20/2/2006 5:34 PM (#111699 - in reply to #111669)
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theres only one wire, which connects to the little fusebox in the engine bay. the connectors just slide out.

afaik there isnt anything else that ties the looms together, the feeds to the coil / rev counter are part of the car loom, the engine loom only connects to the following,

alternator

oil pressure sensor

crank sensor

injectors

air temp sensor

lambda sensor

coolant temp sensor (ecu)

coolant temp sensor (dash)

starter motor

stepper motor

throlle pot

charcoal cannistor

one wire to the underbonnet fuse box

and connectors to the relay pack behind the ecu, and to the ecu.

i'm sure the internal looms are common through all (or most) models. the internal loom on my gti has connectors for central locking on the rear doors, and rear door switches even though there was never a 5 door mpi metro gti.

 
goddardmetro
Posted 20/2/2006 5:41 PM (#111702 - in reply to #111669)
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I think the problems start though Ian when you go from a carb to mpi as if you remember the relay pack on carbs are in fact a collection of relays thrown in there. Probably easier to change that whole section of loom into mpi spec from the underbody fusebox back?
 
AdrianSi
Posted 20/2/2006 5:51 PM (#111706 - in reply to #111669)
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Its not too bad with carb...its the same sort of conversion as the SPi as far as i remember as the relay pack is part of the engine loom and the carb loom has the same connector from body to engine.
 
harry
Posted 20/2/2006 5:53 PM (#111708 - in reply to #111669)
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i think their 1.1 might have been fuel injection. was one of the last GTa se's.
 
goddardmetro
Posted 20/2/2006 5:55 PM (#111709 - in reply to #111669)
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Ah ok cool. Been a long time since I had a look at an 8v car etc :-) I'm as rusty as a wheel arch

Come on then Dan, if its just one wire you're b**ching over you must be some sort of wiring girl! jokes.
 
Metromartin
Posted 20/2/2006 6:09 PM (#111711 - in reply to #111669)
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The car loom on the GTa SE is the same as the GTi with alarm.

The relay box that sits next to the Metro ECU on other rovers is moved to under the radio and in front of the gearleavers on the Rover 200s and 400's so I think you need a Metro GTi engine loom to fit the relay box to.

HTH
 
tonyb
Posted 21/2/2006 1:45 AM (#111731 - in reply to #111669)
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Hi Dan

I assume you have a GTi and intend to fit 5As alarm.

For an engine harness the later R100 MPi will fit. Only slight problem that is configured
for ign coil under plenum. But your 1.6 probably has the coil there anyway.

The 13 way connector on that harness will mate with the vehicle harness. Although detailed above
will put on this thread a schematic for that connector tonight.

With respect to alarm I asked Martin last week to put my sticky on technical forum for
conversion from 3AS to 5AS. At present he has "hidden" the info in my alarm c_locking
sticky.

Last night I asked him to make a new thread. Problem was I could not get the schematic
below 166k for good resolution so that is why he is doing it. There is a lso some text
to be added which he has.

tony


Edited by tonyb 21/2/2006 2:00 AM
 
M16GTA
Posted 21/2/2006 5:24 AM (#111791 - in reply to #111731)
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tonyb - 21/2/2006 7:45 AM

For an engine harness the later R100 MPi will fit. Only slight problem that is configured
for ign coil under plenum. But your 1.6 probably has the coil there anyway.


I have been told this before. but what model is the R100 MPi? 1.4 GTA? and what year? 97?
 
tonyb
Posted 21/2/2006 6:50 AM (#111831 - in reply to #111791)
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Hi Dan

Yes the last R100s were MPi like my Ascot. I think the change over was late 96 /early 97.

Anyway as yours is R100 an engine harness from R100 MPi will be a straight fit.

Also as you already have 5Ss alarm easy to replace with new one if that has been coded to the ECU.

As said earlier will give protocol of that connector tonight.

tony
 
M16GTA
Posted 21/2/2006 7:00 AM (#111840 - in reply to #111831)
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tonyb - 21/2/2006 12:50 PM

Hi Dan

Yes the last R100s were MPi like my Ascot. I think the change over was late 96 /early 97.

Anyway as yours is R100 an engine harness from R100 MPi will be a straight fit.

Also as you already have 5Ss alarm easy to replace with new one if that has been coded to the ECU.

As said earlier will give protocol of that connector tonight.

tony


Mines a Mk3 mate was just before the R100
 
tonyb
Posted 21/2/2006 7:05 AM (#111842 - in reply to #111840)
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Hi Dan

just started back at work after lunch break will reply tonight

more time then to think but still straightforword now I know what car you have

tony
 
tonyb
Posted 21/2/2006 12:44 PM (#111993 - in reply to #111842)
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Hi Dan

So you have 95 1.1 GTA

Thus at this late stage it should be SPI. Firstly no one has mentioned the fuel pump.
Spi runs at a slightly lower pressure although from info on this site you could be ok
But really you need a GTI one or one from a late R100 MPI.

So as not to give duff info I assume the 1.6 engine is from a 200 bubble etc and the ECU is
MEMS 1.9 and the alarm a 5AS.

If that is correct then a R100 MPI harness can be used.

Also you need to use the relay pack YWB100710 again from R100 MPI. The YWB10022 is
internally configured differently and will not work. Pretty sure that is what you have or had.

The problem is the alarm. As said see my schematic hidden in my sticky for “Alarm C-Locking….”
info until Martin can add this info as a sticky in its own right.

For pin protocol for the 13 way connector between engine and vehicle harnesses – see my pics.

EDIT forgot about the fan.

MEMS 1.9 controls the fan. So would be best to disconnect the wires to the thermal switch on the radiator
and connector to the fan itself. Then connect the fan via the connector built into the R100 engine harness.
You will also have to run a wire to SPARES BATT + on rear of fuse box for power to the fan. Wire purple/green.
Again these bits/connectors etc can be obtained from R100 MPI


Tony


Edited by tonyb 21/2/2006 12:57 PM




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M16GTA
Posted 21/2/2006 2:14 PM (#112012 - in reply to #111993)
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tonyb - 21/2/2006 6:44 PM
Thus at this late stage it should be SPI. Firstly no one has mentioned the fuel pump.
Spi runs at a slightly lower pressure although from info on this site you could be ok
But really you need a GTI one or one from a late R100 MPI.


Gulp.....

I'll print them out and see what i can make of it all lol. still don't understand where that connector is supposed to go though?? there is physically no where for it to go, which would suggest from your pictures if i get the r100 loom this is also going to have this connector.

I need to go donw to the garage and re think my game plan as its been so so long.

As for the Fuel pump, I have a MPI Fitted.
 
tonyb
Posted 22/2/2006 1:37 AM (#112082 - in reply to #112012)
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Hi Dan

You still seem a bit lost. Specifically which connector or connectors are
you having difficulty with?

Also can you confirm MEMS 1.9. If not sure I will put a pic up of a MEMS 1.9 for you to compare.

Anyway will put some more schematics up tonight.

tony
 
tonyb
Posted 22/2/2006 1:47 PM (#112194 - in reply to #112082)
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Hi Dan


Firstly slightly wrong regarding fan cct. After looking at my schematics – easier to re-configure.

Power goes from Main 1 (rear) on the fusebox to the fan switch by the light green wire and then that switch
via the light green / orange wire, when closed, operates the fan. So see my schematics.

Locate the switched power wire at the fan which is again the light green / orange wire . Easy to find as
it obviously goes to the fan connector.

Now the difficult part – locate that light green /orange wire in the vehicle harness behind the fusebox –
unfortunately it will be buried – see my pic (that wire is over my pencil)– that is the remains of a GTI
harness. Pull the wire out, the length that goes to the switch on the radiator. Then shorten it and connect
it to SPARES BATT +.

At the fan connector ditch the black earth wire and then connect the light green / orange to fan
connector on the R100 harness. Unfortunately you will have to change the connector for the
light green orange wire.

Now that light green wire to the thermal switch – isolate it by pulling it out of the MAIN 1 connector
on the fusebox. It is now not needed.

This is not difficult to do – just a bit fiddly.

Pic of MEMS 1.9 ECU to confirm what you have.

In fact Dan what you are doing now I shall be doing in the near future. I want to fit a 5As alarm with that
ECU pictured – (yes ok it does need a clean!!) to my GTI which I am rebuilding. But I may go the
more difficult route by fitting a R100 vehicle harness as I also want to fit R100 stalks for the lights
wipers etc. With respect to an R100 engine harness I have one on the 1.1 engine I took out of the Ascot.


tony




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tonyb
Posted 23/2/2006 1:39 AM (#112286 - in reply to #111840)
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Hi Dan – back again

With reference to that fan cct. In hindsight that light green /orange wire
can go to where the light green wire has been removed. I am thinking
“too much R100”. So forget connecting to SPARES BATT +. Also using that
connection forgot to mention that fuse has to be added.

Also although not really quite correct you could still use the original fan cct and forget
(and pithering about changing wires under the dash) about the alternative control
from the ECU. To be pedantic I am going to change my cct.

tony

 
M16GTA
Posted 21/2/2006 5:22 AM (#111788 - in reply to #111669)
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Thanks for the response guys, although im still totally confused lol.

OK here goes:

The car is a 1995 1.1i GTa - i have stripped out the 1.1 and engine loom and put in a 1.6 which came with its own loom ECU, and alarm unit.

the Original ECU from the 1.1 had 2 plugs from memory (one for the engine loom and one that connected a 16 wire block which i presume goes through the bulkhead behind the dash) This 16 Wire connector doesn't plug into the new 1.6 ECY which is just a Single plug type, Which the Plug of the Engine Loom accomidates as it should.

Im guessing the 16wires are for things like lights possible?!

The coil pack is still on the 1.6 along with the 1.1 coil which i left in place.

Shrugs.... lol

I have pictures at home, which i will post later pmsl.
 
Rob VVC
Posted 21/2/2006 5:24 AM (#111790 - in reply to #111669)
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I just sent both looms to reyland and then converted them for £45+vat.
 
M16GTA
Posted 21/2/2006 5:25 AM (#111792 - in reply to #111790)
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Rob VVC - 21/2/2006 11:24 AM

I just sent both looms to reyland and then converted them for £45+vat.


Hmmmm thats sounds like a better way, what was the turn around on that?
 
Rob VVC
Posted 21/2/2006 5:36 AM (#111798 - in reply to #111669)
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Sent them both looms and it took a few weeks but i said not to rush as i didnt need it in a hurry and it was at xmas/new year time so...
 
Dave VVC
Posted 22/2/2006 2:32 PM (#112204 - in reply to #111669)
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Just a quick one, while you are changing from metro
to R100 wiring/stalks ect, don't forget tha you will
also need the R100 fusebox as the metro one is not
compatable as the internal printed circuit is different.
Dave C.
 
tonyb
Posted 23/2/2006 1:28 AM (#112285 - in reply to #112204)
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Hi Dave

I rang out an R100 one and also have "in stock" a Metro one
Externally they are different but internally configured the same.

Also rung out a R100 and Metro GTI vehicle harness and documented.

tony

Edited by tonyb 23/2/2006 1:46 AM
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