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MuffinMan96

Posted 17/6/2013 5:40 PM (#698525)
Subject: 106 xsi

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So upon selling my beloved metro which was my first car, I was lost. In a dark and confused place wondering how I could possibly top 140bhp and 750kg for under £1000. I got myself a mk 2 Frog 1.4 to get about in and really enjoyed how well it handled. No power at all but I was used to driving around as though the back end was on ball bearings (my metro was a bag of sh*t at handling). That needed work so swapped it for a Rover 25 just to stay on the road. Needless to say that bored the crap out of me. Sold up and went and bought a Pug 106 xsi with a 1.6 8v (vtr lump) for 500quid.

Basically, it was so cheap because next to nothing works and I blew the gearbox up on the first day. In the short time it worked though I really enjoyed the sufficient power and incredible handling ability so rather than get rid I'm going to keep her.

It's no VVC Metro but should definitely do me for now. I will probably still float about on this forum so much as I don't get too much hate

I will own another 'tro one day but for now I'm an FDM guy :L

If anyone has any ideas on cool and interesting mods then let me know

also I need to think of a name for her!

Gandi69

Posted 17/6/2013 8:43 PM (#698542 - in reply to #698525)
Subject: RE: 106 xsi

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Good choice these are fun. Is it the standard engine in this or was it swapped for a vtr unit?
Hopefully not as the 106 xsi 1.6 lump is quite different to the vtr one and a better choice for messing about with - its what I put in my VTR.
Keep the gearbox too and rebuild it or fit a series 1 rallye unit, wouldnt fit any other type - the xsi gearboxes are very desirable due to the final drive

MuffinMan96

Posted 17/6/2013 8:58 PM (#698545 - in reply to #698525)
Subject: RE: 106 xsi

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it was a 1.4 but has been swapped for this lump, allegedly been cammed and chipped. Don't know about chip but runs lumpy so confident it's been fast road cammed. I'll probably end up getting a new gearbox to get on the road quick and then rebuild the old one...I dunno yet, it is quite fun though ^.^

MuffinMan96

Posted 18/6/2013 5:48 PM (#698595 - in reply to #698525)
Subject: RE: 106 xsi

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Here are some more pics in her pre-tinker state, grounded at KFC til I get my hands on a new box. Spot anything that could do with doing or needs modding then let me know!

Gandi69

Posted 19/6/2013 4:43 PM (#698670 - in reply to #698525)
Subject: RE: 106 xsi

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Looks like your lower mount or gear box is shagged mate, well that or the casing has snapped off from its mounts as the engine is at a funny angle

I reckon they may have reused the xsi head on that vtr engine

Might need a new beam or beam refurb too as your rear wheels look like they have a bit of camber, at least on the off side

Edited by Gandi69 19/6/2013 4:44 PM

MuffinMan96

Posted 19/6/2013 6:50 PM (#698682 - in reply to #698670)
Subject: RE: 106 xsi

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Gandi69 - 19/6/2013 4:43 PM

Looks like your lower mount or gear box is shagged mate, well that or the casing has snapped off from its mounts as the engine is at a funny angle

Oh sir, how right you are...

Haha, yeah it's gonna be a money pit alright...was gonna get a vtr rear axle at some point anyways but who knows...first thing's first is sorting out the gearbox lol

Gandi69

Posted 20/6/2013 9:06 AM (#698724 - in reply to #698525)
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Casing change required then, so might as well rebuild the box. However if you chose to sell that xsi unit, someone would pay decent money for it even with a snapped upper mount

MuffinMan96

Posted 20/6/2013 12:19 PM (#698738 - in reply to #698525)
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I might be buying a vtr box for cheap from a mate and then maybe rebuild this one and sell to get some of my money back. Any ideas what the hell might have gone in the first place to cause it to do this though? (ps. I'm getting more help here than on the 106owners forum haha)

Gandi69

Posted 20/6/2013 2:52 PM (#698752 - in reply to #698525)
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Bolts not tight enough or shagged engine/gearbox mounts cause it to move around and give undue stresses to the top of the box casing is most likely. Word of advice - dont fit a VTR box unless you really have no other choice, they are awful and very tall geared which will detract from the fun nature of an XSi. If anything source a VTS box, or perhaps a 1.1 box but a 1.1 does not have a "sports" diff so its a bit weaker but there are many reports of people running 1.1 gearboxes on cars that are driven hard for many miles if they are looked after. Also 1.1 boxes go for pennies as no one wants them or the engines that usually come attached

MuffinMan96

Posted 20/6/2013 3:53 PM (#698756 - in reply to #698525)
Subject: RE: 106 xsi

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I know someone with a 1.4 box...I believe it's off a saxo furio, good buy for £70? And when it came off, the box started pissing out oil so dunno if it's split somewhere but 1st gear was fairly useless about 30 mins before it went so don't think it's just the mount that's wrong...who knows. French sh*te

Gandi69

Posted 20/6/2013 4:09 PM (#698760 - in reply to #698525)
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Probably lost all its oil through cracks in the casing. Furio/quiksilver box is the same final drive as a diesel box, which is extremely long and similar to the VTR box..so 70 quid for one is a lot to be honest.
A VTS/106 gti box, 106 xsi boxes (both 1.4s and 1.6s), 106 rallyes (s1 1.3 and s2 1.6) and 1.1 boxes are the only ones I'd even entertain fitting to be honest, all the other boxes aren't worth the effort of fitting on a performance model

MuffinMan96

Posted 20/6/2013 4:15 PM (#698763 - in reply to #698525)
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Ah right fair enough, there's a few French cars on the car scene round here so I'll have a dig and see what I can source. Cheers for advice though, been most helpful ^.^ hopefully she'll be up and running sooner rather than later.

Paul r

Posted 21/6/2013 1:30 AM (#698814 - in reply to #698525)
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Diesel box is also a good move, my 1.1 106 ran 17.6 1/4's all day never changed the clutch or killed the box and did full throttle burnouts, track days, alot of emergency starts 2.4's 60ft. Banging box for a vtr lump, did the conversion to a friends, later mpi 1.1 boxers are supposedly stronger, his is still going with 137bhp.

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Posted 21/6/2013 9:44 AM (#698826 - in reply to #698525)
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whats been done to that vtr to get 137bhp?
Seriously avoid the vtr/diesel box, anyone across saxp or 106 will tell you its the worst box to go for unless you are running big power (ie: boosted) and can pull through the long ratios. But then most people who do that fit a BE gearbox that can have a fighting chance of taking the torque of a boosted TU

Paul r

Posted 22/6/2013 2:13 PM (#698898 - in reply to #698525)
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The vtr was a torquey motor, head was pritty much full race, emerald ecu, cant remember the cam 4-2-1 manifold custom system and a worked rally inlet manifold and tb with a home made carbon induction kit.
He used a 1.1 box my mistake and a lightened flywheel.

Edited by Paul r 22/6/2013 2:14 PM

MuffinMan96

Posted 23/6/2013 10:42 PM (#698982 - in reply to #698525)
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Got new gearbox today...old one should be coming out on Wednesday, depending on weather/motivation/problem encounters...I aim to have it done Friday (I know it supposedly only takes few hours but I'm not rushing it and I need to get oil on Thursday anyways). We'll see...I've got Halfords tool kit, couple of scissor jacks, blocks of brick and wood and there's always the hammer...anyone know if I'll need anything else before I take on this challenge of epic proportions?

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Posted 24/6/2013 9:04 AM (#698992 - in reply to #698898)
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Paul r - 22/6/2013 8:13 PM

The vtr was a torquey motor, head was pritty much full race, emerald ecu, cant remember the cam 4-2-1 manifold custom system and a worked rally inlet manifold and tb with a home made carbon induction kit.
He used a 1.1 box my mistake and a lightened flywheel.

Ah I get you. Sounds like it was close to 750MC/stock hatch spec

Gandi69

Posted 24/6/2013 9:07 AM (#698993 - in reply to #698982)
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MuffinMan96 - 24/6/2013 4:42 AM

Got new gearbox today...old one should be coming out on Wednesday, depending on weather/motivation/problem encounters...I aim to have it done Friday (I know it supposedly only takes few hours but I'm not rushing it and I need to get oil on Thursday anyways). We'll see...I've got Halfords tool kit, couple of scissor jacks, blocks of brick and wood and there's always the hammer...anyone know if I'll need anything else before I take on this challenge of epic proportions?

make sure you get some of the square drain keys for the drainage plugs on the box. You need 2l of oil (75w80) and you might as well fit new driveshaft seals when you do it so get AX gt "caged" ones they work best. I think an xsi also had an intermediate bearing along the offside shaft, so if it does you need to take this out of its housing or just remove the housing from the block. To refit you have to put the housing on first then slide the bearing through it

MuffinMan96

Posted 24/6/2013 8:43 PM (#699017 - in reply to #698525)
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Ideal, got someone who's done a few Pug gearboxes helping so shouldn't have too much in the way of problems...I'll post pics up when she's back on the black stuff.

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