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MetroSean |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1002 Location: Hinckley, Leicestershire | Well as some of you may have seen the gti that came up forsale on Facebook last week, well it turned out to be only 20 mins away from me so I went to see it. Couldn't really see to much as the back and passenger side was buried in a tree and bushes but it didn't look all to bad so I had it Picked it up last night after work, took an hour or so to get it out but got there in the end, after a little bit tinkering I got the engine running and drive it out but with it not been ran for 5 years the rear brakes seized on and the gearbox linkage seized it wasn't all that easy plus the inside of the car is one huge spiders nest it wasn't the nicest place to sit! I've not had chance to have a proper good look over it yet as it's still on the recovery truck at work but I had a little look and took some pics quickly and it's not looking great but I'm not writing it off just yet, I need to strip it down and see how it is as a whole so shouldn't be to long just need to get it cleaned up first. | ||
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Looks in better nick than mine, and mines still on the road lol That another one on the left of the pic 2nd one down? | |||
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drive it like its hired | awesome, good luck | ||
Morey |
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Events Organiser MP Admin Posts: 1923 Location: Somerset | Nice work mate. Looks okay. Work needed for sure. just remember though if it looks to much think of me and my Gta... | ||
Gandi69 |
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Expert Posts: 11052 Location: Wolverhampton | Doesnt look too bad really, just have to see what cleans up and whats shot. Did you get any pictures of the 5 door gta? | ||
MetroSean |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1002 Location: Hinckley, Leicestershire | Cars now back home so I'll give it a clean inside and out tomorrow after work and see what's it's like can already tell every panel will need replacing There was a r100 1.1 5dr next to it and a mk3 gta 16v spi 5dr next to that which I tried to start but the coils buggered but it turns over nice. He's selling both of them. | ||
MetroSean |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1002 Location: Hinckley, Leicestershire | Oh yeah and nearly forgot to say he's got another nightfire metro gti se that's in pretty much immaculate condition but he won't sell it! | ||
111Sli |
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Transport Guru MP Moderator Posts: 4947 Location: Bromley, Kent | MetroSean - 16/7/2014 6:38 PM Cars now back home so I'll give it a clean inside and out tomorrow after work and see what's it's like can already tell every panel will need replacing There was a r100 1.1 5dr next to it and a mk3 gta 16v spi 5dr next to that which I tried to start but the coils buggered but it turns over nice. He's selling both of them. You probably know already, but mk3 Nightfire is different to mk4... Which is a pain. | ||
Metromartin |
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MP Admin Posts: 17870 Location: Gloucester | glad to see another MP member has got this! What are your plans for it? I don't know of any other H reg GTi SE so it must be one of the first! Looks original too with the standard SE seats and EW. I thought it might start even if laid up a few years as I have done this in the past. Sometimes the starter can stick but if running when parked up should run again. radom fact for you, Some of the really early GTi's have high temperate small rectangle warning LED on the dails too that flashes when in the red zone. | ||
MetroSean |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1002 Location: Hinckley, Leicestershire | Metromartin - 18/7/2014 1:17 PM glad to see another MP member has got this! What are your plans for it? I don't know of any other H reg GTi SE so it must be one of the first! Looks original too with the standard SE seats and EW. I thought it might start even if laid up a few years as I have done this in the past. Sometimes the starter can stick but if running when parked up should run again. radom fact for you, Some of the really early GTi's have high temperate small rectangle warning LED on the dails too that flashes when in the red zone. My plans are to strip it down so I can see how much rot it has, I got my next door neighbor to give a clean whilst I was at work and he's done a good job of the interior it's came up pretty much mint breaking it will be my last option but I really don't want to do that! Somebody told me that gti's start at a certain number on the vin plate but not sure? Is there anyway of finding out the build number from the vin? We had to hit the start a few times to unstick it but after that a few turns of the key and it fired up, misfired at first but soon cleared but the clutch is sticking and it's hard to get it in gear as the linkage is quite siezed and only just moves but not bad considering it's been there for 5 years | ||
MetroSean |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1002 Location: Hinckley, Leicestershire | Right had a proper look over the car day and removed a few bits, its not looking great at all here's a list of what ive found. Front subframe, subframe mounts and cross memeber rotten Front o/s chassis leg rotten Front o/s and n/s jacking points rotten and front floor sections rotten (literally nothing left) Roof, o/s A pillar and o/s roof guttering rotten O/s and n/s inner and outer sills rotten O/s rear arch, fuel cap area, anker point and inner arch rotten n/s rear inner arch and anker point rotten Rear subframe mounts both sides rotten Rear valence rotten Boot floor rotten Both doors rusted Tailgate rusted Lacquer peeling off everywhere so will need full respray I'm now in a dilemma with what to do with it, in reality the shell has had it and is nothing more than scrap but i dont want to break it! what do you guys think? | ||
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Expert Posts: 8490 Location: Midlands | I'm personally totally unsurprised by any of your findings. Will take an awful lot of work to restore that to good standard. Let's face it, from that the shell is knackered and riddled with rot. | ||
111Sli |
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Transport Guru MP Moderator Posts: 4947 Location: Bromley, Kent | MetroSean - 20/7/2014 8:08 PM Right had a proper look over the car day and removed a few bits, its not looking great at all here's a list of what ive found. Front subframe, subframe mounts and cross memeber rotten Front o/s chassis leg rotten Front o/s and n/s jacking points rotten and front floor sections rotten (literally nothing left) Roof, o/s A pillar and o/s roof guttering rotten O/s and n/s inner and outer sills rotten O/s rear arch, fuel cap area, anker point and inner arch rotten n/s rear inner arch and anker point rotten Rear subframe mounts both sides rotten Rear valence rotten Boot floor rotten Both doors rusted Tailgate rusted Lacquer peeling off everywhere so will need full respray I'm now in a dilemma with what to do with it, in reality the shell has had it and is nothing more than scrap but i dont want to break it! what do you guys think? Reshell into a good Metro Nightfire? (Saving spray job). It'll never be a proper GTi after that but it's a choice you've got to make. Take a look at Morey's thread for his grey GTa. He's learning a great deal about welding and my theory always is; if it was a Mini or Mk1 Escort people wouldn't even think twice about not restoring it. | ||
MetroSean |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1002 Location: Hinckley, Leicestershire | That's the problem it will just be a gti rep after that and then I've gotta find a good mk3 nightfire which I haven't really got the space for tbh or the money. It's just a shame I really wanted to restore it but the rot in the roof has killed it off I won't make a decision just yet though I'll have a think about it I'm in no rush. | ||
Gandi69 |
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Expert Posts: 11052 Location: Wolverhampton | To be fair a user on here a while ago resealed his 1.8 from a genuine SE into a rover 100. It wasn't a "proper" gti after but it looked the part. Either way it's a fuck tonne of work but I guess cheap gti metros have been this way for years now, pretty much basket cases unless you are super lucky. Probably more so now that people have cottoned on that they are rare and can fetch money | ||
AdrianSi |
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Expert Posts: 8490 Location: Midlands | It might be rare, but i'd rather see 1 mint GTi SE left in existence than a load of ropey ones. Or as mentioned, re-shelled. There is nothing worse than a patch work quilt absolute rot box, so i would say that unless you are confident that you could replace entire panels, then I would give it a wide birth. | ||
Metromartin |
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MP Admin Posts: 17870 Location: Gloucester | I hope it saved but i've got a rotten black H reg Metro GTi SPi in the same condition which needs welding everywhere hence its still where it was parked around 7 years ago and got worse and worse. my rusty Gti starts and as with most metros the basic mechanical parts out live the shell! fixing up depends how good you are with a welder and if you can source the parts. Always a few NOS panels on ebay. Anything is posible but depends on skills, budget and time. a reshell car costs £300 to £500, that cost could go towards the pannels. Also as its a GTi and not moddied you can use comparision websites for insurance quotes which is handy, also the Gti is the only metro with front damper mounts in the engine bay which are rare. Just ideas. Most metros left now if you lift the carpets have the front jacking points patched, the inner wing patched where yours has a hole and rear arch replacement panels welded in. all the places listed are common metro rot points, just a shame you have the whole lot but as other side its not that suprising. weigh up your options and go from there. | ||
R100_vvc |
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Expert Posts: 2029 Location: sittingbourne, kent | Technically you can get another clean night fire shell and amend the chassis number on the v5 logbook of the Gti. as long as you fit the engine so all the numbers tally up and of course fit all the Gti parts. That way it keeps another Gti on road | ||
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drive it like its hired | R100_vvc - 23/7/2014 12:59 AM Technically you can get another clean night fire shell and amend the chassis number on the v5 logbook of the Gti. as long as you fit the engine so all the numbers tally up and of course fit all the Gti parts. That way it keeps another Gti on road No you cannot!!! You have to use a brand new unregistered shell, use the new shells identity or there is a Q plate coming your way! | ||
R100_vvc |
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Expert Posts: 2029 Location: sittingbourne, kent | Whoops | ||
Cake_Destroyer |
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formerly p319 hok Posts: 1965 Location: Under a car somewhere | I dont understand the need to keep 'an original GTi' old Bill and John at Longbridge got any old shell, welded in shock mounts at the frint and hey presto youve got a gti shell - theyre hardly rs2000's or e30 m3's where there is significant differences in the shells panels Any shell that needs a huge amount of restoration will actually end up mainly new parts or new sheet metal - so hardly as it left the factory either ! As long as it looks like one and is actually all there and drives does it really matter ? People go on and on about how rare they are - but a metro in good nick is rare full stop, in 7/8 years ive only seen a handful of metros that arnt members/friends/family cars - in just 6 months ive seen more limited edition corsas than i have metros in all my metro'ing years ! | ||
Metromartin |
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MP Admin Posts: 17870 Location: Gloucester | Cake_Destroyer - 23/7/2014 1:45 PM I dont understand the need to keep 'an original GTi' old Bill and John at Longbridge got any old shell, welded in shock mounts at the frint and hey presto youve got a gti shell - theyre hardly rs2000's or e30 m3's where there is significant differences in the shells panels Any shell that needs a huge amount of restoration will actually end up mainly new parts or new sheet metal - so hardly as it left the factory either ! As long as it looks like one and is actually all there and drives does it really matter ? People go on and on about how rare they are - but a metro in good nick is rare full stop, in 7/8 years ive only seen a handful of metros that arnt members/friends/family cars - in just 6 months ive seen more limited edition corsas than i have metros in all my metro'ing years ! You are right about the shell as the GTi only has shock mounts and some extra fixings for the body kit so has no major defferences, but its genunine and authenticsy also plays a part of it. This is coming from a owner of a GTi Metro replica, mine just doesn't have the full rubbing strips or sunroof but everything else is there. I agree any metro is rare now, but a Metro GTi is much rarer and this is a GTi SE which again even rarer. If I want to get really into it, i've not seen a H reg GTi SE before so it must be one of the first again making it more individaly which adds extra charactor to a car. All personal preference at the end of it. | ||
Cake_Destroyer |
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formerly p319 hok Posts: 1965 Location: Under a car somewhere | I would agree with you about being genuine and authentic if wewere talking about Jim's GTi where its immaculate and 100% as it was the day it was made - which is superb however once you have to change panels etc etc its not the same car anymore and may aswell be any old shell ! i dont see there being anything special about something which is 75% or less of the orginal bits why dont you get full rubstrips for your gti rep? then the only thing your missing is the rot generator in the roof which i actual prefer to not have ! | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1173 | Was this the same guy that had another loads of old cars in his garden? Had a tidy looking white MG Maestro aswell? | ||
MetroSean |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1002 Location: Hinckley, Leicestershire | I know this might upset a few people but I'm leaning towards breaking it up at least that way the parts potentially keep other metros on the road and a chance to get some hard to get parts. It pains me to do it but it might be the only way to go. I'm really not in the position to re shell it as I know the time and cost to do so as I've only just finished building my own gti rep and still throwing money at it. Plus I haven't got the space or money to do it. Regarding where I got it from yes his gardens full of bl cars and he has a quite a few rare cars tucked away there, think he told me he's putting the white maestro up forsale, he's got a maestro turbo there number 405 in very good condition. | ||
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