Posted 16/2/2006 4:03 AM (#110332 - in reply to #110327) Subject: RE: wet liner or a damp one....
R116GTa
Posts: 3823 Location: Bridgend S.Wales
from my understanding of wet and damp which i was told about two days ago.....no chance.it has a different water and oil channel set up so wont match but then i was only told the other day and was a honda engine.
Posted 16/2/2006 5:15 AM (#110342 - in reply to #110327) Subject: RE: wet liner or a damp one....
Elite Veteran
Posts: 1104 Location: 1066 country
The electrics wizard that is Tonyb suggested that it was possible but I asked the peroson who is assisting me and he wanted some more info before we do the engine or head swap on Saturday.
Posted 16/2/2006 5:52 AM (#110346 - in reply to #110327) Subject: RE: wet liner or a damp one....
R A Autobodies
Posts: 3775 Location: Out the area!
I would just do a engine swap instead of messing about splitting the heads of the engines as you will want new gaskets ect when building back up plus you can sell the old engine already built
Posted 16/2/2006 5:55 AM (#110347 - in reply to #110327) Subject: RE: wet liner or a damp one....
R116GTa
Posts: 3823 Location: Bridgend S.Wales
now you mention this,im wondering if my gti head and gta bottem will mate okay.
didnt even consider the wet and damp option???
in that case id imagine it to be fine as its never raised an eyebrow before.....
Posted 16/2/2006 6:57 AM (#110371 - in reply to #110327) Subject: RE: wet liner or a damp one....
Expert
Posts: 8490 Location: Midlands
mettymad - 16/2/2006 9:46 AM
I have been advised that I can fit a wet lined gti head onto my gta damp lined bottom, is this possible and easy to do. Any advice is welcome.
And I am sure there will be some comments and double inuendos regarding the above.
You can fit the 16v gti head on no problems at all as long as you 16v already. The only only difference between the Wet and damp liner engines in terms of mating the head to the bootom end is how the head gasket seals around the combustion chambers. There is only one type of head gasket and can be used with both types of engine and in fact all production k-series.
The main thing is whether or not it is 16v bottom end. HTH
Posted 16/2/2006 8:08 AM (#110392 - in reply to #110373) Subject: RE: wet liner or a damp one....
tonyb - 16/2/2006 1:03 PM
Hi Adrian
Thought bottom end was same ie crank bearings etc.
Will check RAVE.
tony
The only difference is the cut outs in the top of the pistons, late MPi 8v pistons had the cut outs for 16v, these are safe but the ones without the 16v cut outs aren't.
Posted 16/2/2006 8:58 AM (#110408 - in reply to #110371) Subject: RE: wet liner or a damp one....
R116GTa
Posts: 3823 Location: Bridgend S.Wales
AdrianSi - 16/2/2006 12:57 PM
mettymad - 16/2/2006 9:46 AM
I have been advised that I can fit a wet lined gti head onto my gta damp lined bottom, is this possible and easy to do. Any advice is welcome.
And I am sure there will be some comments and double inuendos regarding the above.
The only only difference between the Wet and damp liner engines in terms of mating the head to the bootom end is how the head gasket seals around the combustion chambers.
what about all the oil and water ways.they are different so wont match.my mate who works with me just got back from a course in headquarters and the guy who teaches him used to work for rover.
they are totaly different as far as the linners and water/oil ways go.you cant remover one of the liners as all 4 are joined.
his honda civic has to be re-bored and has to have bigger pistons and ring to acomodate.its not a cheap job so new engine is on the books.
anyone got pictures??
Posted 16/2/2006 10:56 AM (#110433 - in reply to #110428) Subject: RE: wet liner or a damp one....
R116GTa
Posts: 3823 Location: Bridgend S.Wales
Barry - 16/2/2006 3:59 PM
Where does the Civic come into it?
As far as I know, the damp liner was a Rover innovation used only in the K-series and not adopted by any other manufacturer.
the civic come into it by the fact that its basicly the same engine.he has ....let just say wet liner.which is where the cylinder liners are all joined together and my engine had the damp where i could change the liners.
(we had both heads off on the same day)
edit-been trying to post for about 10mins.computer or site is fuked!!
i know these engines are not the same but the type of engine that they are is comparable and these are two different ones.anyway,that friend was in college and his tutor says they are different because of wat im saying.
i dont know %100 but he says he does.
Posted 16/2/2006 12:09 PM (#110455 - in reply to #110327) Subject: RE: wet liner or a damp one....
Expert
Posts: 8490 Location: Midlands
The water and oil gallerys are the same on both varieties of engine. The only difference is in the liners them selves...the wet liner uses o-rings to seal the liners into the block and the dampliner uses sealent. Also the wet liners have a raised surface that the combustion rings on the headgasket seal around, whereas the dampliners surface is near enough flush with the surface of the block.
Also the block design internally and externally is different.
Posted 16/2/2006 12:14 PM (#110457 - in reply to #110327) Subject: RE: wet liner or a damp one....
R116GTa
Posts: 3823 Location: Bridgend S.Wales
ive been waiting for someone who knew for sure.thanks for clearing it up adrian.
and sorry if i sounded like i knew wat i was on about.just heard off a work mate about the different liners and he thought they would have different oil ways ect.
Posted 16/2/2006 4:24 PM (#110520 - in reply to #110327) Subject: RE: wet liner or a damp one....
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Posts: 8490 Location: Midlands
Yep that should be a prime candidate for a 16v head...you will know as soon as you take the head off, there will be extra cut outs per piston...just like the ones below:
Incidentally these are for sale if anybody is interested (OFFERS)
Posted 17/2/2006 3:47 AM (#110561 - in reply to #110327) Subject: RE: wet liner or a damp one....
R116GTa
Posts: 3823 Location: Bridgend S.Wales
well its not hard,its just nuts and bolts and then timing up realy.the bit im most concerned for is the ecu not running the engine after i swap everything.
wet liner or a damp one....
from my understanding of wet and damp which i was told about two days ago.....no chance.it has a different water and oil channel set up so wont match but then i was only told the other day and was a honda engine.
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