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Dave 20VTRO

Posted 22/10/2013 7:18 PM (#705036 - in reply to #705030)
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bantan45 - 23/10/2013 4:45 PM

Ok am with you so all simple seen as your using a aftermarket ecu,,also I take it reyland sorted you out with the flywheel aswell??

Top man thank you for your time and quick replys

Cheers,Yeah, sounds simple!!!, just time consuming trying to get it right first time, if only changing the I/C for a bigger one is the
only change engine wise, then I haven't done too badly.
yeah, Reyland do the flywheel as well as the adapter plates, the flywheel takes the 228mm clutch, I've got a 4 paddle
plate in mine, works mint.

djwilma

Posted 24/10/2013 5:10 PM (#705129 - in reply to #697209)
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Immense car and work most impressed

Surprised no one has thrown in the "it wont handle" arguement as the Audi lump weighs more than the T series

Dave 20VTRO

Posted 25/10/2013 8:48 PM (#705177 - in reply to #705129)
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djwilma - 25/10/2013 4:10 PM

Immense car and work most impressed

Surprised no one has thrown in the "it wont handle" arguement as the Audi lump weighs more than the T series

Cheers again.

You sure about that?, from memory I'm sure the Audi block is lighter, its got ribs cast in on
quite a thin casting, the 'T' block looks like a cast iron diesel block. Its not quite as nimble
as the K block, but it's not far off, plus the extra grunt makes up for it. Thinking about it, there's
no way I'd fit a T block, (God Nooooo!!).

Edited by Dave 20VTRO 25/10/2013 8:49 PM

djwilma

Posted 25/10/2013 9:46 PM (#705182 - in reply to #697209)
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Yep on paper the t is about 15kgs lighter than the 20v lump which is one of the heaviest engines

Dave 20VTRO

Posted 25/10/2013 10:47 PM (#705186 - in reply to #705182)
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djwilma - 26/10/2013 8:46 PM

Yep on paper the t is about 15kgs lighter than the 20v lump which is one of the heaviest engines

Fully dressed engine?, + pas pump, AC, Turbo, Alt, etc.

Dave 20VTRO

Posted 27/10/2013 6:39 PM (#705251 - in reply to #705186)
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Dave 20VTRO - 26/10/2013 9:47 PM

djwilma - 26/10/2013 8:46 PM

Yep on paper the t is about 15kgs lighter than the 20v lump which is one of the heaviest engines

Fully dressed engine?, + pas pump, AC, Turbo, Alt, etc.

I weighed a 20v block yesterday, 37.5kg, anyone weighed a 'T' block?.

Edited by Dave 20VTRO 27/10/2013 6:39 PM

Ed Norton

Posted 27/10/2013 9:18 PM (#705268 - in reply to #697209)
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I would be inclined to think a T block is heavier than that, not weighed one tho, although i have lugged one about a fair few times when we were building a ground up T engine for his zr. Wacking great cast iron thing.

djwilma

Posted 27/10/2013 10:42 PM (#705279 - in reply to #697209)
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T series seems to be 146kg

The vag 1.8 20vt 156kgs

Both fully dressed ac alternator etc

Either way the point wasnt to cause an arguement just to mention it can be done and not affect handling.

Edited by djwilma 27/10/2013 10:43 PM

Dave 20VTRO

Posted 27/10/2013 10:52 PM (#705283 - in reply to #705279)
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djwilma - 28/10/2013 9:42 PM

T series seems to be 146kg

The vag 1.8 20vt 156kgs

Both fully dressed ac alternator etc

Either way the point wasnt to cause an arguement just to mention it can be done and not affect handling.

Its ok, you just got me thinking how heavy the 'T' was.
The car handles good, not quite as nippy as the 'K'.

martin-reyland

Posted 28/10/2013 9:35 AM (#705292 - in reply to #705279)
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djwilma - 27/10/2013 10:42 PM

T series seems to be 146kg

The vag 1.8 20vt 156kgs

Both fully dressed ac alternator etc

Either way the point wasnt to cause an arguement just to mention it can be done and not affect handling.

Dave and I were discussing the two engine weights at the weekend (hence the reason for weighing the 20v block)and I'm struggling to believe that the T series is lighter, now I haven't weighed either of them but after lifting both I'd say the T series was a lot heavier. Where did both sets of figures come from?? If its the Internet then I found the 20V at 146kg and the T series at 168kg but who knows if either figures are correct?! I do have accurate weighing scales so can weigh a 20V but not a T, anyone have the opposite ability??

I really shouldn't be commenting here as I'm heavily biased towards the 20v and have no time for the T series

In comparison I'd say the VAG engine was a nicer choice for the Metro as it leans backwards whereas the T series is upright. The tuning parts availability is a big plus point for the 20v too as its all readily available and very cheap.

djwilma

Posted 28/10/2013 9:47 AM (#705294 - in reply to #697209)
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The vag units are fitted to the elises as you know, a few have used your adaptor plate, and most add 40 kgs to the overall weight

Weight of the t series in my elise was 133kgs and 400bhp in my opinion was easier to get on the t series and cheaper and I use the std mounts so no pressure on the drive shafts. Yes its taller but it also sits 25mm further back in the engine bay. Bad for an elise good for a metro.

given a choice I'd junk both and go for a 2.0 tfsi

and again will state its not for arguements sake but to simply state that people never fit the t series due to weight. But this 20vt weighs roughly the same so the metro can be made to handle with this type of engine......thats my point

martin-reyland

Posted 28/10/2013 10:18 AM (#705295 - in reply to #705294)
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When you say that the T sits 25mm further back is that when comparing a T series with its OE gearbox and a VAG with its OE box too?? Reason I ask is, as I previously mentioned the 20v engine is canted backwards and the T is upright and when using my adaptor both would have the same crank centre line so how can the T sit further back?? Also when you look at a 20V in situ with the inlet manifold off you can see how far back it all is, and dont forget the turbo and manifold are at the rear of the engine so not hanging out front.

I've never done a 400hp T series so can't comment on cost but a set of decent H section rods (not cheapo Chinese type) are around £210 for a set for a 20v, a big port head is around £150 etc.

I think the reason why people don't choose the T isn't solely down to weight, there's a lot more to it than that.

Edited by martin-reyland 28/10/2013 10:18 AM

djwilma

Posted 28/10/2013 10:58 AM (#705296 - in reply to #697209)
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No t series vs k series the t sits further back on the same mounts

Agreed t is an aquired taste, its head is woeful at best and it doesnt rev.....but its very strong and easy to tune

Not knocking the vag unit dont quite know how many times I have to say it.....simply saying most knocked the idea of a t due to weight yet this shows its do able with a heavy cast iron blocked engine

martin-reyland

Posted 28/10/2013 12:52 PM (#705299 - in reply to #705296)
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djwilma - 28/10/2013 10:58 AM

No t series vs k series the t sits further back on the same mounts

Agreed t is an aquired taste, its head is woeful at best and it doesnt rev.....but its very strong and easy to tune

Not knocking the vag unit dont quite know how many times I have to say it.....simply saying most knocked the idea of a t due to weight yet this shows its do able with a heavy cast iron blocked engine

I hear you loud and clear about what you're trying to say regarding peoples views on an iron block but all I'm saying is that just because both have iron blocks doesn't mean they have the same weight distribution.

Ed Norton

Posted 28/10/2013 3:02 PM (#705304 - in reply to #697209)
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Either way it is an interesting one and fair points are made by all

. With a heavier block it is bound to effect the handling negatively to an extent depending on weight and how this weight is distributed. Dave has gone to task with the handling more so than most people are willing to do with his 100, which will help to minimise this effect as much as possible. But as we all know with tuning and modifying everything is a trade off and imo the extra power and torque would more than make up for the handling deficit. Cracking car and i am personally a big fan of the audi 1.8 20v T for a lot of reasons. I will stick one in the back of an elise one day

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