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br0th3rk
Posted 8/8/2012 10:39 AM (#672084)
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Good idea! Bit expensive though! http://www.eliseparts.com/products/show/79/484/hubentric-adaptors-s1/
 
Jack of Hearts
Posted 8/8/2012 1:16 PM (#672099 - in reply to #672084)
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You think 25quid for a huge lump of machined metal is expensive?
 
br0th3rk
Posted 8/8/2012 2:57 PM (#672130 - in reply to #672084)
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Uhh no.. I think £50 is expensive...
 
Jack of Hearts
Posted 8/8/2012 3:36 PM (#672136 - in reply to #672084)
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bigrct
Posted 12/8/2012 4:08 PM (#672538 - in reply to #672136)
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Don't take offence, I'm only having a joke!

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Jack of Hearts - 8/8/2012 9:36 PM

Try mike satur


Eliseparts are bang on, done me numerous favours with there products, and more so in future with my upcoming 6R4 replica, however I wouldn't piss on Mike Satur if he was on fire...
 
Jack of Hearts
Posted 12/8/2012 4:39 PM (#672541 - in reply to #672084)
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Mikes alright, dealt with him a few times
 
bigrct
Posted 12/8/2012 6:49 PM (#672559 - in reply to #672541)
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Don't take offence, I'm only having a joke!

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Jack of Hearts - 12/8/2012 10:39 PM

Mikes alright, dealt with him a few times


As a customer maybe, but to work for...
 
ralphh85
Posted 12/8/2012 5:51 PM (#672547 - in reply to #672084)
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its not that badder price, fair bit of machining and does an important job so needs to be spot on.


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matt
Posted 15/8/2012 10:28 PM (#673104 - in reply to #672084)
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Has anyone actually used any of these? Would be interested to see some pics with different wheel combos
 
lumsden 92
Posted 15/8/2012 11:17 PM (#673121 - in reply to #672084)
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Just get standard hubs redrilled and mini rear drums??
 
Jack of Hearts
Posted 16/8/2012 7:26 AM (#673142 - in reply to #673121)
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lumsden 92 - 15/8/2012 11:17 PM

Just get standard hubs redrilled and mini rear drums??


Not enough meat on the drive flange to do it
 
lumsden 92
Posted 16/8/2012 1:02 PM (#673185 - in reply to #673142)
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Jack of Hearts - 16/8/2012 7:26 AM

lumsden 92 - 15/8/2012 11:17 PM

Just get standard hubs redrilled and mini rear drums??


Not enough meat on the drive flange to do it

Yes there is for 100x4. I know of someone who has done it and has 13x7 minilites on his Metro and the hubs have been in 2 or 3 front in crashes and are still going strong on the newest Metro. Cost him like £80 to have the fronts done as well I think he said.
 
Marv_666
Posted 15/8/2012 11:38 PM (#673128 - in reply to #672084)
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With the thickness off adapters, you may well struggle to find wheels with an offset large enough!
Have got to kick the wheel out at least 3/4"!?
 
Jack of Hearts
Posted 16/8/2012 2:06 PM (#673189 - in reply to #672084)
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There isn't for 4x100. I can't absulutly tell you that. As I have a drive flange round a engeering place now, the first thing we looked at was turning 45 degree. You could just, just squeeze it in. But it would be far too dangerous as there would be about 1/2mm between the edge and the hole. Also the edge of the flange is cut at 45degree. So you'd be overlapping that too

There isn't enough meat on a metro drive flange

Edited by Jack of Hearts 16/8/2012 2:07 PM
 
Marv_666
Posted 16/8/2012 2:16 PM (#673190 - in reply to #672084)
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JoH. Are you talking about A or K series parts?
 
Jack of Hearts
Posted 16/8/2012 3:02 PM (#673194 - in reply to #672084)
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Marv_666
Posted 16/8/2012 3:16 PM (#673195 - in reply to #672084)
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Without even looking, 4.75mm is a lot of material to lose!!
Switching to A and redrilling those has got to be better, surely!?
 
Jack of Hearts
Posted 16/8/2012 3:37 PM (#673198 - in reply to #672084)
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But does the cv joint fit into the drive flange?
 
Marv_666
Posted 16/8/2012 3:39 PM (#673199 - in reply to #672084)
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Probably not... (someone on here will know the difference)
but if you're going to do a permanent change to your PCD, it's work that only needs doing once!
Always a way to MAKE things fit!
 
Jack of Hearts
Posted 16/8/2012 3:53 PM (#673203 - in reply to #672084)
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That's why those pcd adapters are good.
 
Marv_666
Posted 16/8/2012 3:55 PM (#673204 - in reply to #672084)
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Good on the Lotus, where they have a strange off-set...
not so good on a Metro!
Would you use 3/4" wheel spacers??
 
Jack of Hearts
Posted 16/8/2012 4:16 PM (#673208 - in reply to #672084)
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Yeah? Why not? Assuming you mean 3 quarters of a inch not 3 to 4 inch

Edited by Jack of Hearts 16/8/2012 4:17 PM
 
Marv_666
Posted 16/8/2012 4:21 PM (#673209 - in reply to #672084)
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Good luck with tyre to arch clearance, and making wheel bearings last.
 
Jack of Hearts
Posted 16/8/2012 4:26 PM (#673210 - in reply to #672084)
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Wheel bearings are buttons. Tyre clearance isn't a issue for me either
 
lumsden 92
Posted 16/8/2012 4:59 PM (#673213 - in reply to #672084)
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I've spoke to my friend and he is getting me pictures of his redrilled hubs tomorrow. I will post up after. And he confirmed they have been in 2 front end crashes and still going strong.
 
Jack of Hearts
Posted 16/8/2012 5:40 PM (#673219 - in reply to #672084)
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K or a?
 
lumsden 92
Posted 16/8/2012 5:53 PM (#673222 - in reply to #673219)
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Jack of Hearts - 16/8/2012 5:40 PM

K or a?

K-series. Rears have Mini hubs.
 
Jack of Hearts
Posted 16/8/2012 5:56 PM (#673223 - in reply to #672084)
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I look forward to seeing the pics
 
Pandy
Posted 16/8/2012 8:45 PM (#673252 - in reply to #672084)
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Dont EliseParts sell hubs in a more common fitment?
 
Jack of Hearts
Posted 16/8/2012 9:01 PM (#673257 - in reply to #672084)
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http://www.eliseparts.com/products/show/10/452/4-stud-hub-flange/

I assume you mean those pandy?

Same pcd

Loads of meat on those though!
 
Pandy
Posted 17/8/2012 8:44 PM (#673410 - in reply to #673257)
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Jack of Hearts - 16/8/2012 9:01 PM

http://www.eliseparts.com/products/show/10/452/4-stud-hub-flange/

I assume you mean those pandy?

Same pcd

Loads of meat on those though!


Yeah those are the ones, could have sworn I saw some at 4x100 though
 
bigrct
Posted 17/8/2012 6:20 PM (#673381 - in reply to #672084)
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All depends on what wheels you are using, the Minilights on your mates car are no doubt from a Mini, which use a thinner 3/8" stud, so once redrilled the flange will have more meat remaining between the edge of the stud and perimeter of the drive flange. Obviously swapping the rear hubs for A-series Metro/Mini parts retained the 3/8" Mini stud. I ran some late Mini Cooper Sportspacks on one of my old K's, no problem with the correct 3/8" thread stud.

If your redrill and retain the K-series stud, as said by JoH, there's naff-all meat left, as the stud itself is thicker so is pushed very close to the edge. Ask nicely and Eliseparts may well supply the EN24 flange in 4x100. It's dimensions are exactly the same as the standard part so the stud will still be close to the edge, but the stronger material may well hold up, I doubt you'd get a warranty with it though! A-series Metro flanges are totally different and will not fit.

If you want the rears on 4x100 with K-series studs, you'll have to have the hole reamed, an over-size insert pressed in, and then the PCD drilled, but again, it will be close to the edge. You'd also have to do the same with a Mini rear hub, as 4x4" and 4x100 aren't the same measurement. So to be spot-on the same process needs to be applied. The other option is to ask Minisport to supply a pair of their alloy rear hubs undrilled (which they will do but you may have to wait for the next batch to be made), then you can get your engineer to drill the PCD. The good thing with the alloy rear hubs is that the nature of their design allows a couple of PCD's to be drilled if needed. Look on the back of the standard rear hubs and you can only have the studs in one location. Then you just need to redrill or elongate the holes in the discs and drums.

Adaptors may be a fooker on a K-series, particularly on the front as the standard wheels run close to the arch, let alone another rim with an adaptor, 15mm would be about the maximum thickness adaptor to run, and with that I'd be wanting the thread the flanges to use a bolt rather than a stud to affix the adapter so you can turn the head down on the bolt to allow the new wheel to sits flush (assuming the casting of the new heel has a flush mounting face).

HTH.
 
lumsden 92
Posted 17/8/2012 8:48 PM (#673413 - in reply to #672084)
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How do I upload pictures?
 
Jack of Hearts
Posted 17/8/2012 9:25 PM (#673426 - in reply to #672084)
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Photobucket and paste the link
 
lumsden 92
Posted 18/8/2012 11:35 AM (#673474 - in reply to #672084)
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I don't have photobucket :/ Is there not a way to upload on the site? There is plenty of meat left on them, the hubs have mini studs installed in.
 
Marv_666
Posted 18/8/2012 11:43 AM (#673478 - in reply to #673474)
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lumsden 92 - 18/8/2012 11:35 AM

I don't have photobucket :/ Is there not a way to upload on the site?

If the file is small enough you can upload direct by clicking on the "Attach a file after posting" box below.
Never works for me the first time, so i have to go back and edit the post, then "Add/remove attachments" and it works.
 
Jack of Hearts
Posted 18/8/2012 11:40 AM (#673476 - in reply to #672084)
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There's your answer then. No good!
 
lumsden 92
Posted 18/8/2012 12:04 PM (#673482 - in reply to #673476)
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Jack of Hearts - 18/8/2012 11:40 AM

There's your answer then. No fooking good!

Why is it no good? He's been using them for ages now with no problems?




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Jack of Hearts
Posted 18/8/2012 12:20 PM (#673483 - in reply to #672084)
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Hahaha! You think that's safe? You couldn't even fit fans c**k in that gap! On top of that I want to run something other than bloody mini wheels
 
lumsden 92
Posted 18/8/2012 12:28 PM (#673484 - in reply to #673483)
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Jack of Hearts - 18/8/2012 12:20 PM

Hahaha! You think that's safe? You couldn't even fit fans c**k in that gap! On top of that I want to run something other than bloody mini wheels

Corr someone hasn't had any in a while.....

How isn't it safe? There is more meat between the new studs than there is old. Also it's called using different wheel nuts. It's not hard, and this has been working for a good while and been fine. Look at some of the wheels people put on Mini's, they are "mini wheels" are they. I.e 14" & 15"

Edited by lumsden 92 18/8/2012 12:28 PM
 
Jack of Hearts
Posted 18/8/2012 1:04 PM (#673485 - in reply to #672084)
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Sure, sorry. Why do you do for a living? Professional douche bag?

I need something that will go up to 17" and 7.5j. There isn't enough meat for a normal wheel stud. Amazingly the engineering shop also agreed with me?! Fancy that!

But no some douche bag on the inter web said it would be fine! His mate who can't drive for toffee said his works. Let me get my pipe and ponder that for a while........

Edited by Jack of Hearts 18/8/2012 1:11 PM
 
lumsden 92
Posted 18/8/2012 1:12 PM (#673487 - in reply to #673485)
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Jack of Hearts - 18/8/2012 1:04 PM

Sure, sorry. Why do you do for a living? Professional douche bag?

I need something that will go up to 17" and 7.5j. There isn't enough meat for a normal wheel stud. Amazingly the engineering shop also agreed with me?! Fancy that!

But no so douche bag on the inter web said it would be fine! His mate who can't drive for toffee said his works. Let me get my pipe and ponder that for a while........

17" on a Metro?

Me, I'm a professional panel beater and painter, what about you? So no I'm not a "douche bag" as you say. You tell me why these WON'T work on a Metro. Not any other vehicle, as I doubt you'll be putting 17" wheels on a Metro. But if you are I think you need to look at yourself before calling anyone else a "douche bag"

Edited by lumsden 92 18/8/2012 1:12 PM
 
Jack of Hearts
Posted 18/8/2012 1:21 PM (#673490 - in reply to #672084)
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Panal beater? Great! I'll take my engineering advise from you.

Mg Tf, you know a overgrown metro. That uses metro subframes and hubs. And I still wouldn't use those on a metro either. You know why? Because I want to live!

My job? Buyer for a engineering firm. Means I pour over drawings all days deciding what materials to use
 
lumsden 92
Posted 18/8/2012 1:28 PM (#673492 - in reply to #673490)
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Jack of Hearts - 18/8/2012 1:21 PM

Panal beater? Great! I'll take my engineering advise from you.

Mg Tf, you know a overgrown metro. That uses metro subframes and hubs. And I still wouldn't use those on a metro either. You know why? Because I want to live!

My job? Buyer for a engineering firm. Means I pour over drawings all days deciding what materials to use

Still isn't a valid reason why these aren't fit for use. "I want to live"? That's all you can come up with because you haven't a reason as to why they won't work!

Don't try and be sarky with me! From my understanding an MGTF is fitted with Coilovers as standard, which is bolted on via the subframe. Metro's use hydrogas. Don't think these are the same! Even if they do look similar.
 
Jack of Hearts
Posted 18/8/2012 1:38 PM (#673496 - in reply to #672084)
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That statement goes to prove how little you know.

The shread of metal you mate has left between the studs and fresh air is minuscule certainly not enough to handle any kind off force. Your only reason to say it works is your mate has had 2 crashes and there still together. A front crash is no way of testing te weakness of the of that hub. What you want is a sideways swip that way the alloys are under load.

If you think it's fine go for it. But the rest of the intelligent people here can see what I can see and theres no metal left. And your not even using the correct studs for the rest of us.
 
lumsden 92
Posted 18/8/2012 1:43 PM (#673498 - in reply to #673496)
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Jack of Hearts - 18/8/2012 1:38 PM

That statement goes to prove how little you know.

The shread of metal you mate has left between the studs and fresh air is minuscule certainly not enough to handle any kind off force. Your only reason to say it works is your mate has had 2 crashes and there still together. A front crash is no way of testing te weakness of the of that hub. What you want is a sideways swip that way the alloys are under load.

If you think it's fine go for it. But the rest of the intelligent people here can see what I can see and theres no metal left. And your not even using the correct studs for the rest of us.

Well if you look closely there is in fact more metal between the stud and "fresh air" than the standard one. So in that case the standard ones would be worse. A Metro and Mini aren't that much difference in weight so the studs would be fine on a Metro.
 
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Posted 18/8/2012 3:26 PM (#673501 - in reply to #672084)
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James160vvc
Posted 18/8/2012 3:52 PM (#673503 - in reply to #672084)
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its not the distance between the studs he's questioning, its the gap between the stud and the edge of the hub, does look a little small to be honest
 
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Posted 18/8/2012 3:53 PM (#673504 - in reply to #673503)
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James160vvc - 18/8/2012 3:52 PM

its not the distance between the studs he's questioning, its the gap between the stud and the edge of the hub, does look a little small to be honest


Its also the wrong stud. If you were to put the right larger stud in it would be even less
 
bigrct
Posted 19/8/2012 1:42 PM (#673603 - in reply to #672084)
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They are Mini studs, hence why the gap is acceptable. You want to have a look at some of the VAG hubs, they are like 1mm! But yeah, if that retained the K-series stud it would be fooking close.

Pandy, the 4x100 hubs you saw are for Eliseparts GT-spec hub which use a different wheel bearing, I'm been meaning to source a bearing that will fit the GT drive flange and Metro upright for a while so I'll get onto it and let you know. I've got a pair of flanges redrilled to 4x98mm as I have a set of 7x14 Maseratti Bi-turbo wheels I've been wanting to fit, I've retained the K-series stud and that's about as far as I'd like to push it.
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