Sticky The New Style Head Gasket (Pictures attached for reference)
sacha
Posted 18/2/2007 3:46 PM (#245997)
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I havent seen a thread with this so thought i would add it. Not sure if you are all aware but there is a new type gasket available for the k series engine to hopefully help the Head gasket issues.

I went to Landrover and asked for the upgraded head gasket. They gave me the one on the right ( i didnt check when they gave it to me in the box). This is the revised OLD gasket. I called them to tell them that this was the old style but They couldnt sell me the new gasket as they are on back order, but my local motor factors are stocking them by payen.

Here are the pictures so you know if you have the uprated one or not.

Old one is the silver one with red/orange silicon bead around it (RIGHT)
New one is a triple layer gasket with metal in the middle and full silicon sheets over it (LEFT)

Hope that helps so you dont get fobbed off like they tried doing with me



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Posted 18/2/2007 3:48 PM (#246002 - in reply to #245997)
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cheers for that
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Posted 18/2/2007 3:51 PM (#246005 - in reply to #245997)
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bloody hell there's quite a big difference aint there
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Posted 18/2/2007 4:36 PM (#246047 - in reply to #245997)
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Posted 18/2/2007 4:36 PM (#246048 - in reply to #245997)
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same mate
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Posted 18/2/2007 4:48 PM (#246057 - in reply to #245997)
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How much was the new style payen gasket Sacha?

Head gasket is failed on the VVC - it's leaking out of the block above the alternator!
sacha
Posted 18/2/2007 5:49 PM (#246079 - in reply to #245997)
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They are on ebay as a complete head set for £40

You have p.m.
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Posted 18/2/2007 6:08 PM (#246093 - in reply to #245997)
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FREELANDER-ROVER-LOTUS-1-8-MODIFIED-HEAD-GASKET-OEM_W0QQitemZ150075682472QQihZ005QQcategoryZ31348QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem - are these the same?
Alex B
Posted 19/2/2007 5:09 AM (#246138 - in reply to #245997)
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I've been told though that using this new style gasket will require a New Oil Rail due to different thickness.

Alex

Edited by Alex B 19/2/2007 5:16 AM
AdrianSi
Posted 19/2/2007 7:59 AM (#246201 - in reply to #245997)
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Nope the new oil rail is just for strength issues and will not effect the block height or head bolt thread depths in any way

If the gasket was a different thickness there would be issues with compression values.

Edited by AdrianSi 19/2/2007 8:00 AM
petrol_head
Posted 19/2/2007 8:12 AM (#246205 - in reply to #245997)
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i think the oil rails are about ten quid from landrover
Alex B
Posted 19/2/2007 9:18 AM (#246222 - in reply to #245997)
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Adrian is that 100% sure ? Not that I doubt it just that before I get a new set for mine I would like to be 100% sure on what parts are needed to do the job.

Thanks,

Alex
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Posted 19/2/2007 9:24 AM (#246223 - in reply to #245997)
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adrian knows his stuff mate, you should be looking at changing the head bolts aswell
Alex B
Posted 19/2/2007 9:25 AM (#246224 - in reply to #245997)
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OK thanks
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Posted 19/2/2007 10:46 AM (#246263 - in reply to #245997)
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Is this worth a sticky do you think? Useful piece of information
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Posted 19/2/2007 11:11 AM (#246272 - in reply to #245997)
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Posted 7/3/2007 3:12 PM (#252363 - in reply to #245997)
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we use them at my work they seem to work they have got a metal shim that goes over the top of the gasket
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Posted 19/3/2007 8:01 AM (#256814 - in reply to #245997)
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do they do them for the 1400 or is it only 1800 and 1600
petrol_head
Posted 19/3/2007 8:07 AM (#256819 - in reply to #245997)
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they fit any k series mate
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Posted 19/3/2007 8:09 AM (#256821 - in reply to #245997)
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yep, just put one in my 1.1
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Posted 19/3/2007 10:03 AM (#256862 - in reply to #245997)
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but i am sure the bore is different so they would have 2 make one for a 1400 i'm sure
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Posted 19/3/2007 10:17 AM (#256865 - in reply to #256862)
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rover_mad - 19/3/2007 3:03 PM

but i am sure the bore is different so they would have 2 make one for a 1400 i'm sure
nope the bores are the same its the stroke in the pistons that are diffrent
Metro Mad Boy
Posted 23/3/2007 7:49 PM (#258641 - in reply to #256865)
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so are theses the reforced gaskets that can be used more than once then?
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Posted 24/3/2007 10:48 AM (#258708 - in reply to #246079)
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Metro God - 18/2/2007 10:49 PM

They are on ebay as a complete head set for £40

You have p.m.


and heres that link
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HIGH-PERFORMANCE-ROVER-K-SERIES-K16-HEAD-GASKET-SET_W0QQitemZ320096302718QQcategoryZ10414QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
JamieS
Posted 24/3/2007 12:37 PM (#258750 - in reply to #245997)
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Whats the really big part of the gasket set?
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Posted 24/3/2007 12:46 PM (#258757 - in reply to #245997)
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that would go under the cam cover
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Posted 24/3/2007 12:52 PM (#258761 - in reply to #245997)
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Ahh right
Liam_VVC
Posted 14/4/2007 2:40 PM (#268637 - in reply to #245997)
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i have got one of these head-gaskets for a 1800 freelander will it fit on my vvc?
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Posted 14/4/2007 2:42 PM (#268638 - in reply to #245997)
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yes mate, they are all the same 16v or 8v or vvc

complete head sets are 16v and 8v because of different manifold gaskets
98ascot
Posted 14/5/2007 1:46 PM (#282601 - in reply to #245997)
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Heres a link to a very informative site regarding head gaskets. They seem to like the new style one.

http://www.mgcars.org.uk/cgi-bin/gen5?runprog=mgoc&a=&p=emg/mgfheadgasket.html
sacha
Posted 14/5/2007 3:03 PM (#282658 - in reply to #245997)
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Chris VVC
Posted 14/5/2007 3:12 PM (#282660 - in reply to #245997)
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do you need the upraded oil rail aswell?
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Posted 14/5/2007 9:45 PM (#282758 - in reply to #245997)
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No Chris, its not a necessity to use the MLS gasket but a worthwhile "upgrade" maybe?
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Posted 3/6/2007 7:19 AM (#291538 - in reply to #245997)
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Yer well Im Lee GB, i have a lime green metro with a 100cc moped engine and scooby spoiler. Also after an impreza scoop to give it the touch of class. Any cruises around Midlands i can roll up to?
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Posted 3/6/2007 7:24 AM (#291541 - in reply to #291538)
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jacobs53 - 3/6/2007 1:19 PM

i have a lime green metro with a 100cc moped engine and scooby spoiler. Also after an impreza scoop to give it the touch of class.



Please tell me you are joking
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Posted 3/6/2007 9:23 AM (#291582 - in reply to #245997)
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lol - sorry one of my work friends posted as a joke, ignore it... he wishes he drove that though!

Lee
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Posted 3/6/2007 2:24 PM (#291682 - in reply to #245997)
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do you have the part number of the uprated gasket?

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Posted 7/6/2007 3:25 AM (#293603 - in reply to #245997)
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Quick Question

Whats the deal with these steal gaskets? I bought a performace gasket kit from e-bay(link on last page) thinking would be silicon as described in this thead but its steal? Is this alright and is it better than the silicone one?

Thanks guys!
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Posted 4/7/2007 10:57 AM (#303889 - in reply to #245997)
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i've onl;y seen silicon derived ones, just bought one from QED - its a single gasket but the silicon is actually bonded through the gasket as opposed to sitting on top. apparently they're the dogs proverbial plums, and at a meare £28 can't argue
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Posted 4/7/2007 12:38 PM (#303927 - in reply to #245997)
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reading that thread, i noticed there was something about a coolant level sensor that is fitted to the header tank to the TF..... wonder if that could be fitted to a tro.... that's something i'm gunna look into doing i think!
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Posted 4/7/2007 1:55 PM (#303957 - in reply to #245997)
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Getting a seal that could stand the pressure would be very difficult I think.
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Posted 4/7/2007 8:28 PM (#304108 - in reply to #245997)
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not really, any hydraulics place could sort you out easy as!
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Posted 7/7/2007 3:05 PM (#304854 - in reply to #246201)
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AdrianSi - 19/2/2007 2:59 PM

If the gasket was a different thickness there would be issues with compression values.


And there are, I'm sure by how much. But the MLS gasket is defenatly thicker, and the compression ration is dropped from 1:10.5 to 1:10.25 as a direct result. (A mk3 gti has a 1:9.5 compression ratio as std, also note that both a 1997 mk3 214si and a metro mk3 Gti have 1.4 103bhp engines, yet the 214si a higher ratio)

I'm pretty much waiting for the first rolling road tests, but I expect a very small decrease in power(upto 2 bhp, but that's a pure guess)
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Posted 7/7/2007 5:55 PM (#304915 - in reply to #245997)
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Went to my local Landy garage today to price up the oil rail, and got prices for gaskets and bolts
MLS gasket: £23 +VAT
Uprated oil rail: £29 + VAT
Bolts: £1.28 each + VAT

I'm not sure whether all Land Rover dealers will be the same, but at those prices I think it's worth considering.

Jon
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Posted 7/7/2007 6:03 PM (#304918 - in reply to #245997)
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Posted 19/7/2007 5:58 AM (#308693 - in reply to #245997)
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are the qed ones not seen as a good replacement? they're the same width as the original so don't change the compression ratio and are supposed to be pretty badass
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Posted 17/8/2007 12:32 PM (#318977 - in reply to #246093)
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these r sell ing for £20odd atm. is this def a fit for a 143vvc as i'll be buying an engine soon?
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Posted 17/8/2007 1:00 PM (#318985 - in reply to #245997)
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All headgaskets are the same so yep

I just cant help myself can I?

Disclaimer: Note that ive never fitted one of these gaskets

Edited by austinMETRO 17/8/2007 1:02 PM
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Posted 17/8/2007 1:02 PM (#318986 - in reply to #245997)
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is there anythning else i need to go with this, oil rail, bolts etc?
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Posted 17/8/2007 1:03 PM (#318987 - in reply to #245997)
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That im not sure of so id wait till the knowlage comes
emiliano
Posted 28/8/2007 11:26 PM (#323302 - in reply to #318987)
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hi from Argentina. to put the gasket of freelander in motor 1400 cc of the metr gti I must change the oil rail of land rover?

Edited by emiliano 28/8/2007 11:33 PM
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Posted 2/9/2007 2:07 PM (#324742 - in reply to #323302)
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emiliano - 29/8/2007 5:26 AM

hi from Argentina. to put the gasket of freelander in motor 1400 cc of the metr gti I must change the oil rail of land rover?


You dont have to no. A lot of people dont and have no troubles
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Posted 15/9/2008 1:53 PM (#449664 - in reply to #245997)
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i used one of these head gasket about 6 month ago on my moms rover as soon as i opened the box i had a look at it and the quality does seem alot better
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Posted 22/1/2009 4:20 PM (#484726 - in reply to #245997)
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Are the 3 layers joined on the proper one? I purchased what i was told was a triple layer head gasket for one of my cars last year.
when i came to fit it there wer 2 black pieces and 1 silver metal in the middle. I enquired at a local garage and was told the 2 black layers ,that wernt joined to the metal one but had the same holes, were for packaging puposes to protect the gasket from damage in storage and to only fit the silver gasket. I did this but later last year was told 2 different stories, 1 saying that these should be fitted for a better seal and 1 saying that it was a saver gasket and the black layer was for if you needed a skim? both sound like bo#ox 2 me, is any of it true? The gasket worked fine nywa n is still going strong!
Was it just a cheap variant or is this what they are like?
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Posted 22/1/2009 4:23 PM (#484729 - in reply to #245997)
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How can that be working? The black layers are there for a reason!
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Posted 22/1/2009 5:59 PM (#484806 - in reply to #245997)
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The metal layer has compressable rings around the bores and edges where the older version had the red/orange rubber stuff.
The black layers wernt attatched to the gasket itself, just loose inside the packet, or is this how they are meant to be?
I assumed that if they were meant to be fitted they would be attatched, maybe its because i got the head skimmed its worked?
If i bump into the new owner i will ask if they hav had any problems, the last time i looked (over 6 months after fitting)
it was fine and this car got and still gets thrashed most days.
Could it be a different variation of the gasket or have i just been lucky?
Snoopy16
Posted 22/1/2009 6:11 PM (#484811 - in reply to #245997)
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I think the black bits are meant to be attached...

faulty product?
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Posted 5/3/2010 2:50 PM (#545461 - in reply to #245997)
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when the head gasket went on my vvc i had it skimmed got a multi layer gasket and put all three layers in. still going strong even after some very hard driving. seems obvious that they should all be fitted as the bubble wrap is probably the thing protecting the gasket from damage
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Posted 30/5/2010 10:21 AM (#556449 - in reply to #245997)
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hi fellow metro'ers i need 1 of these for my spi gti where can i get 1 from as either a head set or just head gasket dont really wanna use the old style but dont know where to get the new 1s from.please help cheers its a 1990 by the way incase it makes a difference.

Edited by kaz_gta 30/5/2010 10:25 AM
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Posted 22/2/2011 1:43 PM (#593192 - in reply to #245997)
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Here's a new MLS gasket I removed from an old 1.8 engine:



It was boiling coolant, but the HG was fine. The block was cracked.

Here's the old HG, showing the flexible bead - this hadn't gone, but I changed it when I bent a valve.

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Posted 22/2/2011 4:39 PM (#593233 - in reply to #245997)
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pics of cracked block or gtfo